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What is the relationship between B'nai B'rith and Freemasonry?
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Hatto von Aquitanien
2008-02-25 17:26:01 UTC
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What is the relationship between B'nai B'rith and Freemasonry? This sure
looks similar to Masonic trappings I've seen:

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Jim Bennie
2008-02-25 18:34:14 UTC
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What is the relationship between B'nai B'rith and Freemasonry?
None.

Jim Bennie
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Rob Sandilands
2008-02-26 07:25:43 UTC
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What is the relationship between B'nai B'rith and Freemasonry? This sure
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Bnai_brith_certificate.jpg
... certainly a well produced and beautifully crafted document ... but
Masonic? ... no ... no connections there ... but looks very 'similar' in
style and detail to many older documents produced as 'certificates',
'diplomas', etc ...
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innerjewel
2008-02-26 15:05:26 UTC
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While antique hunting I found what I thought was a beautiful Masonic
document simmilar to the one posted here. It had an eye of providence
peering through clouds over an array of symbolic items which I don't
recall. It turned out to be an Odd Fellows print. Just because
something appears to be Masonic does not connect it to Freemasonry in
any significant way.
Hatto von Aquitanien
2008-02-26 15:47:42 UTC
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While antique hunting I found what I thought was a beautiful Masonic
document simmilar to the one posted here. It had an eye of providence
peering through clouds over an array of symbolic items which I don't
recall. It turned out to be an Odd Fellows print. Just because
something appears to be Masonic does not connect it to Freemasonry in
any significant way.
I just stumbled upon this discussion which looks to have not survived a week
on blogospot. I make to claim as to its merits, I just wanted to preserve
it for future reference.


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http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:xKzM37uFBBAJ:newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/02/bnai-brith-sometimes-spelled-bnai-brith.html
Monday, February 18, 2008
The B'nai Brith (sometimes spelled B'nai B'rith) and the origin of
the 'Russian' revolution

Trotsky
Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky), Bolshevik and B'nai Brith member

In the year 1776, Adam Weishaupt began the Illuminati sect. He was a former
Jesuit who had left the Catholic Church. In reality, he was a Jew and a
descendant of Spanish Marronites (Jews who pretended to be Catholics).
Weishaupt was supported in his endeavors by Mayer Amschel Bauer who changed
his name to Red Shield (Rothschild). The Illuminati sect had as its goal
the infiltration of Masonic lodges for the purpose of directing them along
revolutionary paths but, most of all, along paths favored by Rothschild.
The ultimate goal was world conquest through the power of Jewish gold. In
1775, when summoned by Rothschild, Weishaupt began to organize the
Illuminati. The first chapter of the order started in his home town of
Ingolstadt, Bavaria.

A conference was held at Mayer Amschel Rothschild's castle in Ilhelmsbad
on the 16th July 1782, where the freemasons and Illuminati forged a
complete alliance. In this way, the leading secret societies began closer
co-operation with the Illuminati. Thereby, Weishaupt gained no less than
three million tools to work with. In time, the Illuminati were to bring
death and suffering to hundreds of millions of people. (Jüri Lina, Under
the Sign of the Scorpion, 2002, p. 35)

The Illuminati sect was banned in Bavaria in 1784. The House of Rothschild,
however, continued to grow in wealth and power. The Illuminati eventually
resurfaced under various disguises. One such was The Sons of the Covenant
(B'nai B'rith) established in New York in 1843.

Soviet archives (opened in the 1990s) have revealed that the B'nai B'rith
was supreme over all Masonic lodges in Russia and was behind the Bolshevik
Revolutions in 1905 (which failed) and in 1917 (which succeeded). The
Soviet commissars, mostly Jews, were responsible for the torture and deaths
of millions of White ethnic Russians and Ukrainians during the first few
decades of the Soviet regime.

[T]he October 1917 Revolution (really a just a well-organized,
well-carried out Jewish coup) was dominated by Jewish agitators (a
documented fact) but so was the 1905 Revolution[?]. We also learn from the
grand old man [Alexander Solzhenitsyn] the awe-inspiring extent of the
Jewish domination of the Soviet Union during its first two decades of
existence, including its ruthless and murderous internal security system:
Tcheka, OGPU, NKGB, and NKVD. A Russian in the hands of the Tcheka, etc.
was almost certain to be in the hands of Jewish torturers and executioners.
The litany of Jewish crimes committed against the long-suffering Russians
(and other Slavic peoples: Ukrainians and Belarussians) and coldly listed
by the author is simply nauseating and one should approach both volumes on
an empty stomach. (Review of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years
Together by Friedrich Braun. Link)

A Masonic conference was held in 1910 in Copenhagen where the agenda was to
discuss how to turn Europe into a communist state (Franz Weissin, Der Weg
zum Sozialismus / The Way to Socialism, Munich, 1930, p. 9.). Lenin and
Trotsky were both in attendance. Lenin was a freemason of the 31st degree
(Grand Inspecteur Inquisiteur Commandeur) and a member of the lodge Art et
Travail in Switzerland and France. (Oleg Platonov, Russia's Crown of
Thorns: The Secret History of Freemasonry, Moscow, 2000, part II, p. 417.)
Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky) became a freemason in 1897 and later a
high-ranking Illuminatus through his friend Alexander Parvus. He also
maintained contacts with B'nai B'rith. Jacob Schiff, chairman of the
banking house Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and a minion of the Rothschilds, took care
of the contacts between the "revolutionary movement in Russia" and B'nai
B'rith. (Gerald B. Winrod, Adam Weishaupt - A Human Devil, p. 47.) Trotsky
became a member of B'Nai Brith in New York in 1917. (Yuri Begunov, Secret
Forces in the History of Russia, St. Petersburg, 1995, pp. 138-139)

Trotsky reached the conclusion that the true purpose of freemasonry was
to eliminate the national states and their cultures and to introduce a
Judaised world state. This is also stated in "The Secret Initiation into
the 33rd Degree": "Freemasonry is nothing more and nothing less than
revolution in action; continuous conspiracy." Bronstein [Trotsky] became a
convinced internationalist who [?] learned that the Jewish people were
their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples
through the mixing of the other races and elimination of national
boundaries. An international republic was to be created, where the Jews
would be the ruling element, since no others would be able to understand
and control the masses. (Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, 2002,
p. 133)

It has been claimed that Lenin was the brain of the revolution and
Trotsky the soul. What a monstrous soul! He wrought immense havoc on Russia
in order to subdue its inhabitants. While the Trotskyists claimed that
their teacher never wove any intrigues, we can by the aid of documents and
his own quotes confirm that Trotsky was a particularly nasty Sadist who
destroyed everything of value and finally became a simple idiot, a cunning
demagogue and an unfortunate criminal who died horribly.
Trotsky was without doubt the cruellest and most
dangerous "revolutionary" in the world, who ordered literally millions of
Russians to be shot. He took children as hostages and, if necessary,
ordered them murdered. It was Trotsky who released criminals from the
prisons and thereby also terrorised the people. Trotsky was a hard, cold
devil, as the Swedish historian Peter Englund (once an active Trotskyist)
characterised him. (Expressen, 21st of August 1990.) He had so much satanic
evil in him that
everything we learned about the inquisition of the Middle Ages pales in
comparison. The brutal Trotsky successfully developed the violent
traditions of the Jacobins.(Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the Scorpion,
2002, p. 175)

The B'nai Brith was directly responsible for the overthrow of Czar Nicholas
II and the subsequent decades of mass murder (the "second phase") which
followed:

In the archives of the State Department there is a document,
No.861.00/5339, which reveals how Jacob Schiff, who was a very influential
person within the Masonic organisation B'nai B'rith, and his companions
Felix Warburg, Otto Kahn, Mortimer Schiff, Isaac Seligman and others had
made plans as early as 1916 to overthrow the Russian Tsar. In April 1917
Jacob Schiff himself officially confirmed that it was through his financial
aid to the revolutionaries that the Tsar had been forced to abdicate,
whereupon a Masonic government came into power (Gary Allen, None Dare Call
it Conspiracy, 1971). At the same time, Alexander Kerensky received one
million dollars from Jacob Schiff. (Encyclopedia of Jewish Knowledge,
article "Schiff, New York, 1938.)
In the spring of 1917, Jacob Schiff began to finance Leon Trotsky to
implement "the second phase of the revolution", according to Dr Antony C.
Sutton. Colonel Edward M. House, a powerful Illuminatus in America, saw to
it that President Woodrow Wilson quickly had an American passport issued
for Trotsky, so that he could go back to Russia and continue
the "revolution".
In New York, on the 27th of March 1917, the 37-year-old Trotsky, with
his family and 275 international terrorists and adventurers embarked on the
ship Kristianiajjord bound for Europe to complete the "revolution" in
Russia. Various criminals, Jewish-American communists and brokers from Wall
Street also accompanied them. (Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the Scorpion,
2002, p. 148)

The B'nai Brith made sure the Jewish ?revolutionaries' were well trained for
the work of mass murder that lay ahead of them:

Parvus and Trotsky were given plenty of aid from the United States,
where the Jewish millionaire Jacob Schiff even in 1890 organised and
financed training for Jewish "revolutionaries" from Russia. It was B'nai
B'rith (Sons of the Covenant), the Jewish Masonic organisation, that
planned the instruction for those training courses. The same order also
played an active role in the so-called revolution in 1905. (The Ugly Truth
About the ADL, Washington, 1992, p. 27.)

Posted by The_West on 2/18/2008
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Hatto von Aquitanien
2008-02-26 15:54:49 UTC
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Post by innerjewel
While antique hunting I found what I thought was a beautiful Masonic
document simmilar to the one posted here. It had an eye of providence
peering through clouds over an array of symbolic items which I don't
recall. It turned out to be an Odd Fellows print. Just because
something appears to be Masonic does not connect it to Freemasonry in
any significant way.
I just stumbled upon this discussion which looks to have not survived a week
on blogospot. I make to claim as to its merits, I just wanted to preserve
it for future reference.
<quote>
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Post by Hatto von Aquitanien
Monday, February 18, 2008
The B'nai Brith (sometimes spelled B'nai B'rith) and the origin of
the 'Russian' revolution
Trotsky
Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky), Bolshevik and B'nai Brith member
In the year 1776, Adam Weishaupt began the Illuminati sect. He was a
former Jesuit who had left the Catholic Church. In reality, he was a Jew
and a descendant of Spanish Marronites (Jews who pretended to be
Catholics). Weishaupt was supported in his endeavors by Mayer Amschel
Bauer who changed his name to Red Shield (Rothschild). The Illuminati sect
had as its goal the infiltration of Masonic lodges for the purpose of
directing them along revolutionary paths but, most of all, along paths
favored by Rothschild. The ultimate goal was world conquest through the
power of Jewish gold. In 1775, when summoned by Rothschild, Weishaupt
began to organize the Illuminati. The first chapter of the order started
in his home town of Ingolstadt, Bavaria.
A conference was held at Mayer Amschel Rothschild's castle in Ilhelmsbad
on the 16th July 1782, where the freemasons and Illuminati forged a
complete alliance. In this way, the leading secret societies began closer
co-operation with the Illuminati. Thereby, Weishaupt gained no less than
three million tools to work with. In time, the Illuminati were to bring
death and suffering to hundreds of millions of people. (Jüri Lina, Under
the Sign of the Scorpion, 2002, p. 35)
The Illuminati sect was banned in Bavaria in 1784. The House of
Rothschild, however, continued to grow in wealth and power. The Illuminati
eventually resurfaced under various disguises. One such was The Sons of
the Covenant (B'nai B'rith) established in New York in 1843.
Soviet archives (opened in the 1990s) have revealed that the B'nai B'rith
was supreme over all Masonic lodges in Russia and was behind the Bolshevik
Revolutions in 1905 (which failed) and in 1917 (which succeeded). The
Soviet commissars, mostly Jews, were responsible for the torture and
deaths of millions of White ethnic Russians and Ukrainians during the
first few decades of the Soviet regime.
[T]he October 1917 Revolution (really a just a well-organized,
well-carried out Jewish coup) was dominated by Jewish agitators (a
documented fact) but so was the 1905 Revolution[?]. We also learn from the
grand old man [Alexander Solzhenitsyn] the awe-inspiring extent of the
Jewish domination of the Soviet Union during its first two decades of
Tcheka, OGPU, NKGB, and NKVD. A Russian in the hands of the Tcheka, etc.
was almost certain to be in the hands of Jewish torturers and
executioners. The litany of Jewish crimes committed against the
long-suffering Russians (and other Slavic peoples: Ukrainians and
Belarussians) and coldly listed by the author is simply nauseating and one
should approach both volumes on an empty stomach. (Review of Alexander
Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years Together by Friedrich Braun. Link)
A Masonic conference was held in 1910 in Copenhagen where the agenda was
to discuss how to turn Europe into a communist state (Franz Weissin, Der
Weg zum Sozialismus / The Way to Socialism, Munich, 1930, p. 9.). Lenin
and Trotsky were both in attendance. Lenin was a freemason of the 31st
degree (Grand Inspecteur Inquisiteur Commandeur) and a member of the lodge
Art et Travail in Switzerland and France. (Oleg Platonov, Russia's Crown
of Thorns: The Secret History of Freemasonry, Moscow, 2000, part II, p.
417.) Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky) became a freemason in 1897 and later a
high-ranking Illuminatus through his friend Alexander Parvus. He also
maintained contacts with B'nai B'rith. Jacob Schiff, chairman of the
banking house Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and a minion of the Rothschilds, took care
of the contacts between the "revolutionary movement in Russia" and B'nai
B'rith. (Gerald B. Winrod, Adam Weishaupt - A Human Devil, p. 47.) Trotsky
became a member of B'Nai Brith in New York in 1917. (Yuri Begunov, Secret
Forces in the History of Russia, St. Petersburg, 1995, pp. 138-139)
Trotsky reached the conclusion that the true purpose of freemasonry was
to eliminate the national states and their cultures and to introduce a
Judaised world state. This is also stated in "The Secret Initiation into
the 33rd Degree": "Freemasonry is nothing more and nothing less than
revolution in action; continuous conspiracy." Bronstein [Trotsky] became a
convinced internationalist who [?] learned that the Jewish people were
their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples
through the mixing of the other races and elimination of national
boundaries. An international republic was to be created, where the Jews
would be the ruling element, since no others would be able to understand
and control the masses. (Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, 2002,
p. 133)
It has been claimed that Lenin was the brain of the revolution and
Trotsky the soul. What a monstrous soul! He wrought immense havoc on
Russia in order to subdue its inhabitants. While the Trotskyists claimed
that their teacher never wove any intrigues, we can by the aid of
documents and his own quotes confirm that Trotsky was a particularly nasty
Sadist who destroyed everything of value and finally became a simple
idiot, a cunning demagogue and an unfortunate criminal who died horribly.
Trotsky was without doubt the cruellest and most
dangerous "revolutionary" in the world, who ordered literally millions of
Russians to be shot. He took children as hostages and, if necessary,
ordered them murdered. It was Trotsky who released criminals from the
prisons and thereby also terrorised the people. Trotsky was a hard, cold
devil, as the Swedish historian Peter Englund (once an active Trotskyist)
characterised him. (Expressen, 21st of August 1990.) He had so much
satanic evil in him that
everything we learned about the inquisition of the Middle Ages pales in
comparison. The brutal Trotsky successfully developed the violent
traditions of the Jacobins.(Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the Scorpion,
2002, p. 175)
The B'nai Brith was directly responsible for the overthrow of Czar
Nicholas II and the subsequent decades of mass murder (the "second phase")
In the archives of the State Department there is a document,
No.861.00/5339, which reveals how Jacob Schiff, who was a very influential
person within the Masonic organisation B'nai B'rith, and his companions
Felix Warburg, Otto Kahn, Mortimer Schiff, Isaac Seligman and others had
made plans as early as 1916 to overthrow the Russian Tsar. In April 1917
Jacob Schiff himself officially confirmed that it was through his
financial aid to the revolutionaries that the Tsar had been forced to
abdicate, whereupon a Masonic government came into power (Gary Allen, None
Dare Call it Conspiracy, 1971). At the same time, Alexander Kerensky
received one million dollars from Jacob Schiff. (Encyclopedia of Jewish
Knowledge, article "Schiff, New York, 1938.)
In the spring of 1917, Jacob Schiff began to finance Leon Trotsky to
implement "the second phase of the revolution", according to Dr Antony C.
Sutton. Colonel Edward M. House, a powerful Illuminatus in America, saw to
it that President Woodrow Wilson quickly had an American passport issued
for Trotsky, so that he could go back to Russia and continue
the "revolution".
In New York, on the 27th of March 1917, the 37-year-old Trotsky, with
his family and 275 international terrorists and adventurers embarked on
the ship Kristianiajjord bound for Europe to complete the "revolution" in
Russia. Various criminals, Jewish-American communists and brokers from
Wall Street also accompanied them. (Jüri Lina, Under the Sign of the
Scorpion, 2002, p. 148)
The B'nai Brith made sure the Jewish ?revolutionaries' were well trained
Parvus and Trotsky were given plenty of aid from the United States,
where the Jewish millionaire Jacob Schiff even in 1890 organised and
financed training for Jewish "revolutionaries" from Russia. It was B'nai
B'rith (Sons of the Covenant), the Jewish Masonic organisation, that
planned the instruction for those training courses. The same order also
played an active role in the so-called revolution in 1905. (The Ugly Truth
About the ADL, Washington, 1992, p. 27.)
Posted by The_West on 2/18/2008
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Well, it's back now. Not sure what happened. Last time I tried to access
it, I got an error page.
http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/02/bnai-brith-sometimes-spelled-bnai-brith.html
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Jim Bennie
2008-02-26 18:42:53 UTC
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <***@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message news:***@speakeasy.net...

<snip internet material>

I prefer the one about Goldilocks and The Three Bears myself.

Jim Bennie
BC & Yukon
Hatto von Aquitanien
2008-02-26 18:29:15 UTC
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While antique hunting I found what I thought was a beautiful Masonic
document simmilar to the one posted here. It had an eye of providence
peering through clouds over an array of symbolic items which I don't
recall. It turned out to be an Odd Fellows print. Just because
something appears to be Masonic does not connect it to Freemasonry in
any significant way.
One source which purports to be pro-Mason states that some of the founders
of B'nai Brith were Masons. It's reasonable to suspect that they might
have carried over some aspects of Freemasonry with them. I'd say it's even
evident. At least as far as the external trappings go.
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Larry The Mason from Holbrook
2008-02-26 20:21:40 UTC
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One source which purports to be pro-Mason states that some of the founders
of B'nai Brith were Masons. It's reasonable to suspect that they might
have carried over some aspects of Freemasonry with them. I'd say it's even
evident. At least as far as the external trappings go.
Please keep in mind that even though a Mason may have created a thing,
that thing is not necessarily Masonic. The Mormon Church's
ceremonies, I am told, contain many things familiar to Masons, and the
Church was indeed created by a Mason, but it is not a Masonic
organization.

Cheers,
Larry W, WM
Holbrook #30 AF&AM
Forest Grove, Oregon
Marcus
2008-02-26 20:30:02 UTC
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What is the relationship between B'nai B'rith and Freemasonry? This sure
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Bnai_brith_certificate.jpg
There are some symbols possibly used in masonry: the "all seeing eye" but
it's not inside a triangle, two crossed gavels, two crossed keys, a man on
the right possibly doing the master mason sign.

These are coincidences in my opinion.

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